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Cure?
So, what was the cure? Removing the rats and garbage? Simply letting it run it's course? Something else? I remember, in the show Torchwood, episode 12 or 13 (I forget) time basically gets all muddled and Owen has to treat a girl with the Black Death. He mentions some chemicals that apparently treat it.. Any truth to that? - NemFX (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
- Cure? Fiction is fiction -- they can say anything, of course. At the time, very little available treatnebt seemed to impact the course of the disease. If brave people would stay and offer the patient palative care - water, food, warmth - the patient's chances were slightly improved. The more severe forms of the disease, pneumonic and septicemic plague, were almost always fatal. In the modern world, the infectious agent often responds well to familiar modern medicines, including streptomycin, chloramphenicol, and tetracycline ( see Yersinia pestis/ treatment). Resistant strains have been isolated/identified and some patients may require additional medical support, including a Medical ventilator, to treat severe symptoms. It remains a severe and dangerous desease, and many treated patients die. So, of course, prevention is paramount, and public health efforts to improve hygiene and eliminate contact with fleas are quite successful. WBardwin (talk) 07:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Black Death Edit Request
The "wooden cane" referred to in the current wiki text is likely the same as the "red rod or wand" mentioned in Daniel Defoe's "A Journal of the Plague Year" (1722):
"That precise Order be taken that the Searchers, Chirurgeons [doctors or surgeons], Keepers and Buriers are not to pass the Streets without holding a red Rod or Wand of three Foot in Length in their Hands, open and evident to be seen, and are not to go into any other House than into their own, or into that whereunto they are directed or sent for; but to forbear and abstain from Company, especially when they have been lately used in any such Business or Attendance." [1]
I suggest that the text be edited to read:
- A wooden cane. The cane was used to both direct family members to move the patient, other individuals nearby, and possibly to examine the patient with directly.
MinesOfSpain (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Not bubonic plague? spelling correction
correct spelling of causitive - should be causative in this paragraph:
Alternative explanations
Not bubonic plague? Although Y. pestis as the causitive agent of plague is widely accepted, recent scientific and historical investigations have led some researchers to doubt the long-held belief that the Black Death was an epidemic of bubonic plague.
Cymbals (talk) 19:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Cymbals
Persecutions
I've rewritten some of this section but it's still very undereferenced. I also find this sentence problematical "In many places, attacking Jews was a way to criticize the monarchs who protected them (Jews were under the protection of the king, and often called the "royal treasure" This jumps from criticising "the monarchs who protected them" to them being "under the protection of the king". Which king is being referred to here? Richerman (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Which country Temesvár/Timişoara belonged to in the 18th century?
In the article, along with the plague of 1738, there is mentioned Timişoara as a Romanian city. Temesvár (today Timişoara) was an important Hungarian city and an integral part of then Hungary since the beginning of the Hungarian Kingdom in late 10th century. It became a part of Romania after WWI by the Treaty of Trianon in 1920. Then, according to the census of 1910, the city's inhabitants were mostly Germans (44%) and Hungarians (39%) with a Romanian minority of 10%. During the past 90 years the population has been change drastically, in 1992 82% of the city's population were Romanian, while only approx. 10% Hungarian and 4% German. However, in 1738 it was a Hungarian city, and moreover, it doesn't make too much sense to talk about Romania before 1859, the union of Moldavia and Wallachia. Apart of this, the article is comprehensive and excellent. Congratulations for the authors! Vamos (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Different mortality rates for Jews and non-Jews add citation
Hi, I cannot add the citation because the page is semiprotected, but in the section Persecutions there is a line that says: Differences in cultural and lifestyle practices also led to persecution. Because Jews had a religious obligation to be ritually clean they did not use water from public wells and so were suspected of causing the plague by deliberately poisoning the wells. Typically, comparatively fewer Jews died from the Black Death[citation needed],. I have found a citation for this claim in Haim Beinart, Atlas of Medieval Jewish History, Simon & Schuster, New York, NY, 1992, p. 62. I have a photocopy of the book with me. Best, Fabitas 18:38, September 3, 2008 (UTC+3)
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