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height = net worth?
L. Ron Hubbard's "height" is listed as 200 million dollars. when i tried to edit this, I noticed that this number is actually his "networth". this seems like a problem with wikipedia's coding. Net worth is being displayed as "height" on every famous person's page (try Bill Gates or Steve Jobs). I apologize, because this comment is about a flaw with wikipedia in general, not this article specifically, but it does apply to this article, and i can't find anywhere else to post this. please help me find the appropriate place, if you know where it is.--Jmjanzen (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- There was a small error in the infobox template this article (and most other famous-person articles) use, it's now been fixed [1]. Thanks for bringing it up - just so you know, the Help Desk is a good place to bring widespread problems like this up in the future, as it's likely someone will notice and fix it quickly. ~ mazca t | c 13:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
POV problems
In 1978, as part of a case against three French Scientologists, Hubbard was convicted of "making fraudulent promises" and given a four year prison sentence and a 35,000₣ fine by a French court.[93] Hubbard was not in the country at the time of the trial, and didn't retain legal assistance. The case was subsequently appealed by one of the other convicts in 1980. During this appeal, the court indicated that all those who had been convicted could be pardoned, if they filed their own appeals against the original ruling. A second defendant did in 1981, and the fraud charges were canceled by judgment on November 9, 1981. Hubbard himself never took any action, and the fine was never enforced.[94][95]
This text seems to carefully dance all over POV, OR, and {{fact}}. AndroidCat (talk) 08:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- How so? Trials in absentia happen. --FOo (talk) 09:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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- It might be a good idea to link in absentia, to emphasize that it is hardly unknown for a person to be put on trial for their crimes even when they decline to attend that trial. -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 23:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- By that, I mean that I don't think that the court ever indicated that Hubbard could have been pardoned if he appealed. I believe the court felt that most of the French Scientologists were merely agents of the parent organization, where the real responsibility was. In other words, Hubbard. Also "as part of a case against three French Scientologists, Hubbard was convicted" makes it sound like Hubbard was hit by some wild stray conviction. "as a result of a case against the Church of Scientology in France, Hubbard and three French Scientologists were convicted." AndroidCat (talk) 01:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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- Ah, fair enough. How could Hubbard be convicted if the trial was "against three French Scientologists," which would mean that he wasn't even a defendant? That would make no sense. Unless I'm merely demonstrating my ignorance of fine points of French jurisprudence, you're quite right -- that's pretty absurd. --FOo (talk) 05:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Some fact/grammar problems in the article
"It determined that Hubbard had disregarded orders, admonished him by letter to include in his records and transferred him to other duties."
Looks like someone missed a word.
"In all he had one promotion and six decorations to show for his service."
Six decorations? I believe the actual count is four. -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 14:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- Checking the revision history shows that Anyeverybody (talk · contribs) was the one who instituted both changes. -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Providing requested citations
Please replace the {{fact}} tag after the sentence "However he would claim to have accomplished much more than that in the decades which followed." with the following citation: <ref name="MBTR" /> The sentence in question is referring to what Hubbard claimed to have accomplished in his military service, and the citation in question does indeed spell out:
- During his purportedly illustrious military career, Hubbard claimed to have been awarded at least 21 medals and decorations. But records state that he actually earned four during his Naval service: the American Defense Service Medal, the American Campaign Medal, the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal and the World War II Victory Medal, which was given to all wartime servicemen.
- One of the medals to which Hubbard staked claim was the Purple Heart, bestowed upon wounded servicemen. Hubbard maintained that he was "crippled" and "blinded" in the war.
Also, please replace the {{fact}} tag after the Hubbard quote "I do love you, even if I used to be an opium addict." with a citation to L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman, where it can be found on page 54. -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 04:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Redundancy with "L. Ron"
The "Parents and early life" section seems to mention Hubbard's full name to often. Why isn't his full name, "L. Ron Hubbard," simply shortened to "Hubbard" more often? Danny (talk) 22:10, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Please add category
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the category tag [[Category:Founders of religions]]. Someone may mistakenly believe that this article should not be in that category, because Category:L. Ron Hubbard is already there; however, Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories#Topic articles clearly says "If [a] topic article and [a] similarly named category come to be placed in the same parent category, the fact that the article is a member of this subcategory is not a reason for it to be excluded from the parent category." -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- ... The categorization problems are out of hand. Apparently, someone (incorrectly) removed L. Ron Hubbard from Category:Scientology because Category:L. Ron Hubbard is already in Category:Scientology. Except that back in November 2006, someone (incorrectly) decided that Category:L. Ron Hubbard should be removed from Category:Scientology on the theory that that categorization only applied to Hubbard's own article and not to the category. So for almost two years now, not only could you not follow a link directly from Category:Scientology to L. Ron Hubbard, you couldn't even follow a link from Category:Scientology to Category:L. Ron Hubbard and from there follow a link to L. Ron Hubbard. -- 65.78.13.238 (talk) 23:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Done, now re-added to Category:Founders of religions. Thanks for your help with this categorisation problem, if you run into any more that you need a hand with do let me know. ~ mazca t|c 17:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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