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Here are some tasks you can do: Copyedit: Turn symptoms into a table? This would help with repetition but it's not really clear how it would work. Turn bulleted lists to prose Verify: Find references. Many many references. Expand: Add a history section Add a nonhuman section? Add a research directions section Add a Society and culture section? Add a pediatric section? Other: Find more images. Image:Wallerian degeneration in cut and crushed PNS nerve.jpg could be used to show Wallerian degeneration, but it's in a peripheral nerve. check images for free license

Contents 1 Major Issues in This Treatment of Head Trauma 2 This page was cut and pasted 2.1 Unsourced 3 Role in Neuroanatomy 4 Concern 5 Links 6 Major edit 7 Another edit 8 brain injury due the lack of oxygen 9 famous persons additions 10 Graphic 11 Notable cases 12 Title not capitalized

Major Issues in This Treatment of Head Trauma

Whoever wrote this frankly did not have a scientific or even clinical background in this area. First of all, the definition of concussion, a source of endless confusion for both patients and even clinicians, is something out of the 18th century ("shaking of the brain?"). He never clarifies that concussion references an altered mental status following a blow to the head or a violent acceleration or deceleration of the head, that there are grades or severities of concussion, and that not all concussions involve loss of consciousness. Any piece on head trauma that does not even adequately clarify the basis for the term concussion cannot be considered scientifically adequate. The author states "Diffused trauma to the brain is frequently associated with concussion (a shaking of the brain in response to sudden motion of the head), diffused axonal injury, or coma." This is just plain embarrassingly bad, and makes category errors (between syndromal descriptions like the term concussion and the notion of diffuse axonal injury ( a presumed substrate for both coma and other effects of concussion). The author repeatedly generates what is in all honesty a paraphasia ('diffused' for diffuse), and mangles the term 'diffuse axonal injury' which is the substrate for most of the symptoms in mild to moderate head trauma. The whole thing needs a major rewrite. The evidence that large sections of it may indeed be plagiarized is even more embarrassing. Why does Wikipedia tolerate this kind of stuff? DFW Harvard Medical School —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.129.233 (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

This page was cut and pasted

You know this entire page is lifted verbatim from the NINDS? It's even got verbatim copies of the captions for pictures that are in that article but aren't in this one. Why not have a shorter article and just link to the NINDS article? Even if it's a public domain page, there's no need to have an identical copy of it here. plus, some of the stuff is extraneous to TBI. Like the 'What kind of research is the NINDS doing' section. Maybe that should be its own page. Or hey, we could just link to the NINDS page that says the same thing. Delldot 13:09, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced

Most of the information in the article is unsourced, however correct. Shouldn't there be footnote sources specific to the piece of information? (i.e. Every couple sentences or so.) I'm not very familiar with Wikipedia sourcing standards. Joanna.Licata (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Role in Neuroanatomy

The many cases of brain-injured patients, those who have suffered a trauma, lesion, or some other defect in their brain, have been very useful in providing a better understanding of the internal functions of the human brain. By studying the behavioral shortcomings and perceptual changes which result from these location-specific brain-injuries shed light on the neural anatomy of the brain.

The individual role of large regions of the brain, such as the primary lobes, can be better understood when considering what mental deficit the brain-injured patient is suffering from. For example, patients with occipital lobe damage who appear to bee suffering from a visual perception impairment can lead to the localization of the visual cortex in the occipital lobe. Patients with frontal lobe damage have demonstrated impairments in areas such as planning, motivation, and higher-level reasoning. Patients with left-hemisphere damage may have language impairments. In this way, many distinct brain functions can be linked to their point of physical origin in the brain – that is, the location of the brain injury.

Concern

A concern about this article being incomprehensive has been raised at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Traumatic_brain_injury.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 02:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Links

I've removed some of the links in the external links section. I felt that they were excessive and unnecessary, and some of them were commercial links, e.g. for law offices. I think it's best to have fewer links and only links that provide information that's not given here. No need to link to multiple pages that duplicate the same info. If there's any problem with the removals, let me know here. delldot | talk 20:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Major edit

I've just finished a major edit of this page. I noticed that there were a lot of unreferenced facts in the page that I thought needed references, e.g. facts that mentioned percentages or lists of symptoms. A lot of the material in this article is still directly from the public domain NINDS resource Hope through research. So I went through and cited the facts mentioned here that needed citation and were in that publication. Unfortunately, now the article is peppered with citations from that resource. I tried to avoid citation where I didn't think it was necessary, but there are still quite a lot. I think the only way to avoid this is to find other souces to cite instead. Let me know if you think of another solution or have any problems with my edit. delldot | talk 15:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Another edit

In my most recent edit, I've removed "in minor cases" from PTSD section, since the memory/PTSD link in head trauma is controversial (some researchers even believe that lack of memory predisposes patients to PTSD, and others doubt that it is a factor at all). I also removed wording in the prevention section that I felt was too vague and not related enough to the prevention issue. I made other edits as well. I hope this is ok with everyone. If not, definitely let me know and we'll figure something out. Thanks, delldot | talk 03:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

brain injury due the lack of oxygen

I am living in New Zealand and have a brain injury due to the lack of oxygen while having an operation and would liek to chat to other people who have had the same , if you can mail me on polkie [at] xtra [dot] co.nz so we can chat and see how many people have the same troulbe i do and if they can help me to understand it better Thank you Tony Polkinghorne

famous persons additions

Some possible additions to the list of famous people with TBI's

Roald Dahl--- Head injury in plane crash during WWII-- later grounded due to headaches

Ambrose Bierce -- Head injury during Civil war---

Abraham Lincoln --During childhood was kicked in head by horse/mule, comatose ~7 days--

Vladimir Konstantinov-- Detroit red wings '91-'97 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.158.5.176 (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Those are a few off the top of my head-- Thought I'd put it to a discussion before anything was added. If anyone knows more about the aforementioned cases and feels they qualify, please add them to the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.158.5.176 (talk) 20:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm okay with this if folks want to add it, but first I'd recommend having a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles)#Notable cases. Some people feel that famous persons with... should be limited to people who changed the public perception of the disease (e.g. Stephen Hawking in ALS), and I tend to agree that we should only include really famous cases, especially with a topic this broad. Also, each one would need a source. But in general, thanks for helping out, and by all means please be bold! delldot talk 23:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphic

I'm confused by the pie chart graphic- specifically, I had to follow the link to the chart's source to figure out what "19% Struck By/Against" means ("colliding with a moving or stationary object"). Maybe someone can figure out how to make this graphic more useful within the article. QuixoticKate (talk) 21:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How about "struck by or against something"? Trying to keep it terse, but don't want to sacrifice meaning, of course. delldot on a public computer talk 02:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, or "struck by/against an object;" or even just clarifying the accompanying text might work.QuixoticKate (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, if I can get away with just changing the caption, that would be easier. Let me know what you think, I'm glad to change the image too. delldot on a public computer talk 02:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice change. I think that works.QuixoticKate (talk) 04:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks much for catching that! delldot on a public computer talk 08:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Notable cases

I move that we get rid of the Notable cases section. WP:MEDMOS#Notable cases does not recommend the section, especially for conditions that aren't rare. Plus it says that unsourced people must be removed, and the list here is all unsourced. To me, it doesn't make sense to have a section like this for something as common as TBI; the list could include virtually every professional boxer and probably a good chunk of football players and other athletes. If we have sources for the info, we could integrate any of these names into the text (e.g. with Phineas Gage) Any strong objections to my removing it? delldot talk 08:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Apparently no strong objections, so I'm going ahead. Let me know if there's any problem. delldot talk 13:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Title not capitalized

how do I change the title to capital letters? at present only "Traumatic" starts with a capital letter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moyalvytn (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You could use the 'Move' tab at the top of the page, but per the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions that's not something you want to do in this case, the article title is correct as it stands. Only proper names should be capitalized in article titles. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) is also helpful as to section titles, etc. --CliffC (talk) 13:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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