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Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize information in the articles related to Gilbert and Sullivan. The project is also intended to complete or add new articles within its "Scope" described below. For future reference, you can easily reach this page via the shortcut WP:G&S.

To find out more about what we have been doing, see Scope and Articles below. For Article Assessments, visit the assessment department. See our discussion page here to see our past discussions.

If you would like to help, consider looking at the To do lists below, including clean-up tasks and new article opportunities below. You could also adopt an article. Feel free to add additional tasks or articles to these lists. If you would like to join us, please add your name to the list of participants.

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Contents 1 Scope 2 About this project 2.1 Goal 2.2 Related WikiProjects 2.3 Participants 3 Articles 3.1 Main articles 3.2 Other articles 4 To do lists 4.1 Clean-up tasks 4.1.1 Major articles 4.1.2 Other cleanup opportunities 4.2 New article opportunities 4.2.1 Works 4.2.2 Opera companies 4.2.3 People 4.2.4 Miscellaneous 4.3 Adopt an article 5 General strategy and discussion forums 6 Infoboxes in articles 7 Templates 8 Userbox 9 Categories 10 Lists 11 Notes on web-sources 12 See also

Scope

The scope of this project is:

• W. S. Gilbert
• Arthur Sullivan
• The fourteen Gilbert and Sullivan operas, also known as the Savoy Operas
• Other Works by W. S. Gilbert and Compositions by Arthur Sullivan
• D'Oyly Carte Opera Company and members of the D'Oyly Carte family.
• Other people who worked closely with Gilbert and Sullivan, D'Oyly Carte or the Savoy Operas.
• Performers who have spent a significant portion of their careers performing in the G&S operas
• Professional companies (other than D'Oyly Carte) that regularly perform or performed G&S
• The International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival
• Sources of G&S information or scholarship

About this project

Goal

To increase the accuracy, clarity, coverage and overall quality of articles related to Gilbert and Sullivan, their works, colleagues and lives.

Related WikiProjects

• WikiProject Opera (parent project)
• WikiProject Musical Theatre

Participants

• Marc Shepherd
• Ssilvers
• Derek Ross
• shsilver (not the same as ssilvers, above)
• jmptdc
• GodolphincobbEsq.
• mdcollins1984
• Anivron
• Moreschi
• Scott Farrell
• Wehwalt
• Broadwaygal
• Jack1956
• Rosuav
• A More Perfect Onion

Articles

Main articles

• Gilbert and Sullivan (this article has been rated a Good Article).
• W. S. Gilbert (this article has been rated a Featured Article).
• Arthur Sullivan (this article has been rated a Good Article).
• Savoy Opera
• D'Oyly Carte Opera Company

Other Featured Articles: Thespis (opera), Trial by Jury and Creatures of Impulse.

Other articles

At this time, there are articles for:

• All fourteen of the Gilbert and Sullivan operas. See Savoy Opera.
  • Our articles on Thespis and Trial by Jury are each Featured Articles.
• Every opera that Arthur Sullivan wrote with other collaborators. See: Operas by Arthur Sullivan.

• Most of the operas that W. S. Gilbert wrote with other collaborators and the Bab Ballads, but only about half of Gilbert's plays and other non-musical works. See: Bibliography of W.S. Gilbert and List of W. S. Gilbert dramatic works.

• Many of the historically important Gilbert and Sullivan performers.

• Many of the historically important People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan.

• Most of the curtain raisers that played together with Savoy Operas at the Savoy Theatre. See Savoy Opera.

• The London theatres historically associated with Gilbert and Sullivan. See the main Gilbert and Sullivan category.

• The International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival, a three-week annual G&S festival

• The Cultural influence of Gilbert and Sullivan

• A number of the professional opera or repertory companies that regularly perform G&S, such as:
  • Opera della Luna
  • Carl Rosa Opera Company
  • New York Gilbert and Sullivan Players
  • Opera a la Carte
  • Skylight opera theatre
  • English National Opera
  • Ohio Light Opera
  • Washington Savoyards
  • Light Opera Oklahoma
  • Light Opera Works

• Articles about a number of professional companies that were known for performing G&S in the past, but have closed, such as:
  • Light Opera of Manhattan
  • American Savoyards
  • J. C. Williamson
  • Gilbert and Sullivan for All

To do lists

Clean-up tasks

The following articles are candidates for expansion, re-organization, or clean-up:

Major articles

1. The Gilbert and Sullivan article needs more in-line citatations. It is ready to be improved to a WP:Featured Article.
2. The D'Oyly Carte Opera Company article needs more citations. It also needs to be harmonised with the Savoy Theatre, Opera Comique, and Royalty Theatre articles, among other relevant topics.
3. The Richard D'Oyly Carte, Helen Carte, Rupert D'Oyly Carte and Bridget D'Oyly Carte articles need to be harmonised with each other and with the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company article and the Savoy Theatre article.
4. See /Opera articles for guidelines on how articles in this project should be structured.

Other cleanup opportunities

• W. S. Gilbert wrote six German Reed Entertainments from 1869 to 1875. Articles on each of them are linked from the German Reed Entertainment article, and most of these should be expanded.
• Several of the articles for Gilbert's other non-Sullivan works are start-class articles and need more thorough synopses and/or background information. For example, The Mountebanks and Princess Toto could use cleanup and some expansion and tweaking.

(See /Opera articles for our style guideline).

• J. C. Williamson, Washington Savoyards, Ohio Light Opera, Opera a la Carte, Opera della Luna, and other professional G&S groups' pages need to be expanded and/or upgraded.
• Victoria and Merrie England's "Description of scenes" is weak.
• The article on "Onward, Christian Soldiers" could use a discussion of its cultural significance. Wasn't it a Salvation Army theme song?
• The Long Day Closes (song) could use a another editor's eyes.
• The Window; or, The Songs of the Wrens needs a "musical analysis" section and, perhaps, other contributions
• Wikisource:Author:Arthur Sullivan and Wikisource:Author:W. S. Gilbert give an idea of how much isn't yet ready on the sister sites.

• People: More work is needed on:
  • Nancy McIntosh, especially a description of her later years living with the Gilberts. Also, some of this info should be summarized in Gilbert's article.
  • William Greet, an impressario and manager of the Savoy Theatre under Helen Carte.
  • Composers articles need expansion, e.g., Frederic Clay, Edward German, Edward Solomon, Frank Osmond Carr, Alexander Mackenzie, and Alfred Cellier (See Savoy Opera for names of others).
  • Librettists articles need expansion, e.g., F. C. Burnand, Basil Hood, Henry Pottinger Stephens, and B. C. Stephenson (See Savoy Opera for names of others).

New article opportunities

Feel free to add an article on any relevant topic, as long as it is encyclopedic, adopts a neutral point of view, and is verifiable. Normally the best way to ensure verifiability and neutrality is to cite sources, rather than relying on what you merely believe to be true. Some participants also believe that articles should be "notable". See WP:MUS WP:BIO and WP:ORG. Below are suggestions for new articles that are needed to round out the G&S coverage on Wikipedia.

Works

We now have articles on nearly all of Sullivan's major works. However, Gilbert wrote some 80 operas and plays, and only about half of these have articles. Some of the most important Gilbert plays that still need their own articles include:

• An Old Score (1869) (rewritten as "Quits!" in 1872)
• The Gentleman in Black (1870 comic opera with music by Frederic Clay). This is the only Gilbert opera that still needs an article.
• The Ne'er-do-Weel (1878) -- rewritten as "The Vagabond" after a few weeks
• Gretchen (play) (1879) (one of Gilbert's favorites) See [1] and (p. 52) and [2] and [3]
• Foggerty's Fairy (1881) Gilbert's science fiction play - like Back to the Future.
• The Fairy's Dilemma (1904) -- WSG finally working out a lifelong obsession with pantomime & harlequinade

(See /Opera articles for our style guideline. For a working example of how the above-listed articles could be structured, see His Excellency and Creatures of Impulse).

Opera companies

• Articles are missing on Somerset Opera[4], Essgee Entertainment?, Grim's Dyke Opera?, Cotswald Savoyards? and several other professional G&S performing companies. Please list any here that you know of.

People

• Most of the key G&S performers and other people associated with G&S have been added (see "clean-up opportunities" above), but there are still some conductors and choreographers of G&S operas, and some composers, librettists and lyricists of the lesser Savoy Operas and curtain raisers listed in Savoy Opera that do not yet have articles.

Miscellaneous

• There could be an article describing G&S scholarship today and the major G&S museum collections and other principal G&S sources available for G&S enthusiasts.

Adopt an article

Would you like to adopt an article? This would involve doing the research, writing, and finding public domain images to create or improve an article. Just pick an article from one of the "To do" lists above and start editing (see "clean-up tasks" and "new article opportunities" above). Of course, anyone can edit any article, even if someone had "adopted" it. But the idea of adopting an article is to focus for a while on a particular article until you feel it is as completely researched and referenced, and as well-written as you can make it, with a view of building up the number of high quality articles relating to this project. When you are finished working on an adopted article, leave a message on the talk page to let the other members of the project know you are finished, and they can look it over.

Adopted articles in progress:

• Edward German: Anivron

General strategy and discussion forums

• /Categories
• /Opera categories
• /Opera articles

Infoboxes in articles

Following the Opera project policy, the G&S project discourages adding infoboxes at the top of articles, as they generally contain only repetitive information and interfere with the placement of images at the beginning of articles.

Templates

G&S navigation template

• {{Gilbert and Sullivan}}, which expands to

v • d • e Gilbert and Sullivan   The Triumvirate W. S. Gilbert • Arthur Sullivan • Richard D'Oyly Carte   The Gilbert and Sullivan Operas Thespis • Trial by Jury • The Sorcerer • H.M.S. Pinafore • The Pirates of Penzance • Patience • Iolanthe • Princess Ida The Mikado • Ruddigore • The Yeomen of the Guard • The Gondoliers • Utopia, Limited • The Grand Duke   Other Works, People and Related Matters Other Works by W. S. Gilbert • Other Operas by Arthur Sullivan • Other Music by Arthur Sullivan • Savoy opera People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan • Gilbert and Sullivan performers D'Oyly Carte Opera Company • Helen Carte • Rupert D'Oyly Carte • Bridget D'Oyly Carte Cultural influence of Gilbert and Sullivan • International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival

Talk-page notice for articles

• {{G&S-project}}, which expands to

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Talk-page notice for categories

• {{G&S-project|class=Cat}}, which expands to

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Terminology template

• {{Comicopera}}, which expands to

A note on terminology

Gilbert, Sullivan, Carte, and other Victorian era British composers and librettists, as well as the contemporary British press and literature, called works of the sort that Gilbert and Sullivan produced 'comic operas' to distinguish their content and style from that of the continental European operettas that they wished to displace. Most of the published literature on Gilbert and Sullivan since that time continues to refer to these works as 'comic operas'. The Gilbert and Sullivan WikiProject maintains this distinction, though many general books on music, due to ambiguity in the term, prefer "operetta".

Userbox

• {{User G&S}}, which expands to

Categories

Category	Purpose
Gilbert and Sullivan	G&S-related articles not falling into one of the more specific categories listed below.
Gilbert and Sullivan performers	Biographical articles about people who have performed Gilbert and Sullivan. There is no consensus for how notable or substantial a person's G&S career needs to have been, to justify inclusion in this category.
People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan	Collaborators, impresarios, and other people with a substantial association with Gilbert and Sullivan and/or their operas other than performers.
Works by W. S. Gilbert	Works by W. S. Gilbert other than the fourteen G&S operas.
Compositions by Arthur Sullivan	Works by Arthur Sullivan, other than operas.
Operas by Arthur Sullivan	Operas by Arthur Sullivan, other than his operas with Gilbert.
Operas by Gilbert and Sullivan	Self-explanatory. Note that this category is a sub-category of Gilbert and Sullivan, Works by W. S. Gilbert, and Operas by Arthur Sullivan.

Lists

"Lists" are unnecessary for items that are already included in "categories".

Possible lists for creation:

• Complete list of Arthur Sullivan works, excluding operas (many of these will never have their own articles, so they will not be covered by categories)
• a List of Bab Ballads
• a Complete list of Savoy Operas (Savoy Opera only includes pieces that played at the Savoy. Some pieces were played only on tour.) See here.
• a list of major G&S performing companies

Notes on web-sources

/Marc Shepherd's Gilbert and Sullivan Discography

See also

Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates

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• This page was last modified on 15 October 2008, at 12:59.

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