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Contents 1 Userbox Proposal by County 2 Featured Article review for San Francisco, California 3 Lighthouse articles being renamed to another project's style 4 NPOV Dispute 5 Ohlone GA Sweeps Review: On Hold 6 Articles flagged for cleanup 7 San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge 8 Project page redesign 8.1 redesign done 9 Agnew's Village, California 10 Mother's Motors, Berkeley 11 B/C quality class reassessment 12 Political Articles to NPOV

Userbox Proposal by County

I have prototype Userboxes for eight of nine Counties for consideration by this WikiProject; I saw no need to include the City and County of San Francisco in my proposal (a Template:User San Francisco and variants already existing). Suggestions, if any, may be left at User talk:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes. And DO keep me posted on which ones are adopted. - B. C. Schmerker (talk) 08:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Templates for review:
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Contra Costa County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Alameda County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Santa Clara County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User San Mateo County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Marin County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Solano County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Sonoma County
User:B.C.Schmerker/User boxes/User Napa County

Thanks, I've added these to list at the project's userbox list. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article review for San Francisco, California

San Francisco, California has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The San Francisco article successfully kept it's FA Status (Wikipedia:Featured article review/San Francisco, California/archive1) thanks to the work Paul.h, Sfmammamia, Kurykh, and others. -Optigan13 (talk) 05:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Lighthouse articles being renamed to another project's style

Many of the articles on lighthouses and light stations included in List of Registered Historic Places in California have been moved from "Foo Point Lighthouse" or "Foo Point Light Station" to "Foo Point Light." This is done without discussion in most cases. Some existing articles were simply changed to redirects to new articles with the new naming convention adopted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Lighthouses.

Please review the discussion regarding the propsal to move Point Reyes Lighthouse to Point Reyes Light at Talk:Point Reyes Lighthouse.--Hjal (talk) 07:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute

Anonymous editors have been changing the wording of Berkeley Oak Grove Protest, and article in your project's scope, and have recently added a NPOV template. I'd like opinions from other editors, so please stop on by and leave a comment here! Thanks! --Falcorian ^(talk) 20:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohlone GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Ohlone and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article and other related WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 814 of the articles assigned to this project, or 24.4%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems worth a try. I've added the necessary template to our project page. Stepheng3 (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge

San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The bay bridge's FA has been removed (Wikipedia:Featured article review/San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge/archive1). -Optigan13 (talk) 04:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Project page redesign

Would anyone object if I changed the Project page to a style similar to Wikipedia:WikiProject Viruses? Most of the project page, and the project itself also appear to be inactive so I was also thinking of polling participants to get an accurate count of active members. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Instead of doing right off, do you mind drafting what you want to change on a sandbox page? I wouldn't mind a project page update if I knew there are noticeable differences and improvements (sometimes it's actually good to not fix something that's not necessarily broken).  :D Thanks. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 09:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's up on my sandbox, but please don't edit those pages yet. I don't mind tons of tinkering on them if we use them, I just want to be able to db-author in case it is decided against. See User:Optigan13/Sandbox. Honestly I'm more concerned about what I think is limited activity, a collaboration of the month that hasn't changed since February 2007 and other tools/sub-pages that have gone neglected/gone useless. -Optigan13 (talk) 04:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks good... BoL (Talk) 04:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think one of the main problems is that the COTD/COTF/COTM/etc... have been dying across the board since the Article Improvement Drive became "historic." I think most of the editors on this WikiProject are still active, they've just moved onto other WikiProjects that needs further development. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 04:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, it looks great! :D - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 04:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think a poll of the participants and a page redesign would help this? It looks like this project also used to have several involved content contributors who have since moved on. I'm just upset watching the bay bridge FAR writers go without assistance after their interest has justifiably wained when the SF article's FAR went so well. -Optigan13 (talk) 04:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this is undoubtedly one of those WP:BOLD movements. If you want to bring something back to life, I guess promoting activity may bring some of them back. A poll or just an informal RfC would be fine.  :D - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 05:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone let me know whether they want a newsletter for it. I'll try to make an ad. BoL (Talk) 05:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to make an animated ad for this WP. Below are a list of images I plan on using. I wanted to use one picture per county for our ad, but I think that's become a bit difficult. Please comment on the pictures and if some of the pictures should be switched out. Note that if you want a picture to be switched out, the picture(s) should be on WikiCommons.

• Image:Lombardst.jpeg
• Image:Downtown Santa Rosa.JPG
• Image:Solanocountygovoffice.jpg
• Image:Googleplexsouthsidesecondangle.jpg
• Image:International Terminal of San Francisco International Airport2.jpg
• Image:SF From Marin Highlands3.jpg
• Image:Lightmatter napa valley.jpg
• Image:DinoHillPano2731x505.jpg
• Image:Oakland Court House California USA.jpg

Tell me what you guys think. I might arrange it similar to the ad I made for WikiProject Universities and WikiProject Robotics. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 09:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

redesign done

Well I've updated the page with the redesign and polled everyone with {{subst:SFBA Rollcall}}. As pointed out to BoL on his talk page his banner ad for the project is up {{Wikipedia ads|ad=153}} and only one is allowed per project, but I noticed that WP:California doesn't seem to have an ad so if you want to roll your ideas into an ad for them that would probably help. -Optigan13 (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The ad looks great! - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 17:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Agnew's Village, California

I've just created Agnew's Village, California. If appropriate, a project member may wish to add the {{SFBA Project}} template to its talk page. I don't participate in this project, so it would be presumptuous for me to do so.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TJRC (talk • contribs) 16:43, August 4, 2008

I've tagged the article, Santa Clara county counts as in the bay area, so yeah. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. I routinely add the templates of projects I don't participate in; it hadn't occurred to me that doing so was presumptuous. If it is, sorry. Not least because I have just added the template of this project to an article: see the following topic. -- Hoary (talk) 00:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Mother's Motors, Berkeley

A vigorous but newish editor has created an article on Mother's Motors, a motorbike shop of the sixties. It seems potentially interesting but is also problematic, with vague claims that are unsourced and a lot of what at this point looks like little more than name-dropping. It has already been flagged for speedy deletion (not by me) and had the template removed (neither by its author nor by me). I sense that the subject is worthwhile and hope that some of the denizens of this talk page will know how to help the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

B/C quality class reassessment

Recently, the quality scale introduced a C-class, with the B-class criteria becoming more restrictive. However, the restricting of criteria is an project-by-project opt-in procedure, which entails fiddling {{SFBAProject}}, demoting all B-class articles to C-class, and reassessing such articles individually against a defined set of criteria in order to regain B-class status. I think we should do this to more accurately gauge the quality of the articles in our scope, and concentrate improvement where needed (and we only have 286 B-class articles right now, so it's manageable). Thoughts? —kurykh 17:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help with this. Stepheng3 (talk) 17:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Though wouldn't it be better to move all the B's to unassessed, so we don't duplicate effort? Stepheng3 (talk) 17:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The B-class to C-class thing is automatic upon implementation. You can also assess the current 10 C-class articles in more detail while you're at it. —kurykh 17:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I was looking at that noticing that we also have categories and other non-article material mixed in with unknown importance listed at Category:Unknown-Importance SFBA articles, so the talk page template definitely needs an update/adjustment, at least to split the unknown importance to non-applicable. I would prefer to also split the pages into the classes listed at {{WikiProject California}}. Also when I did the page redesign I wasn't sure if it would be better if we don't have that many active members to combine into the WP California as a task force, since we have a lot of overlap on article tagging and on membership, although that is a bit drastic. On a related note can someone please reassess San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge, it is unassessed after the FAR. -Optigan13 (talk) 07:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Due to lack of opposition, I invoked WP:BOLD and implemented the changes. The effects seemed to have been more than I anticipated; B- and C-class articles were actually demoted to start-class. To re-acquire their former ratings, they need to be checked against a list of criteria found on the doc page on the template or in Wikipedia:WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area/Assessment. So, let the reassessments begin! —kurykh 06:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Political Articles to NPOV

Lately I noticed a lots of Politician articles are POV using weasel words and generalizations to frame them in a positive manner. For example using words such as "Best" or generalizations such as "worked with environmentalist" or reference their campaign/government websites. I think it is critical that we fix these mistakes to make it NPOV and not make it seem wikipedia supports them.--Cs california (talk) 06:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind {{npov}}, you may also tag the articles that needs attention with article issues (weasel) if necessary. If you have a particular question or an article that requires particular attention, please let us know. In the mean time, please remember to place new talk issues on the bottom of the talk page. Thanks. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 08:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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